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Monday, October 12, 2020

The exposing of globalism and its dangers

This is not necessarily an endorsement of Trump. However, one thing a Trump presidency has done is force the ²globalists out in the open and exposed them. 

In America, we are free to believe whatever we want, including globalism, but to pretend to be a ³patriot when one is a traitor to America's founding principles instead, is deceptive and wrong. I am not saying you have to agree with those founding principles; I am saying don't ¹pretend you do when you don't, which globalists and their minions often do.

Then we can have an open discussion of the virtues and fallacies of globalism or any other system. What has made America unique is the free exchange of ideas and the opportunity to engage in open debate and respectfully disagree. Globalism wishes to shut down - even kill - that exchange i.e., to censor the free exchange of ideas. This is at the heart of "cancel culture." It is not conducive to a flourishing society, no matter who promotes it.

Not everything desired by those sympathetic to the globalist agenda is necessarily bad, such as taking better care of the planet. However, deception is wrong, regardless of how justified one thinks their end goal is. If an honest person is sympathetic to globalism, it would be worth reassessing that sympathy, knowing that deception is common to their methodology.

If someone wishes to be a ²globalist it would serve them better to go somewhere where globalism is gladly embraced and live with the fruit of that world view, not try to turn America into a globalist system that only allow some to rise to power and feast off the blessings of liberty and a system built off of free-market exchange of goods, services, and ideas.


America is not perfect, but people come here because it's better than where they came from. Freedom to think, do, and speak as we wish - as long as it does no actual material or physical harm (vs perceived harm) to our fellow Americans - is a central tenet in the founding of America. The "American dream" of being free to advance your station in life or impact in the world for good is not unique to or created by Americans. It is a universal aspiration. America has been historically the best place to live the universal dream that all humans desire. This is why America attracts people from all over the world. 

Whether good people within the globalist view of the world understand it or not, globalism takes away our liberties to think and speak freely, which ultimately leads to tyranny (e.g. censorship or worse) for everyone else not in power. 

The uniqueness of our system in the USA is it protects the voice of the little guy (as well as everyone else) and keeps him from being drowned out by the majority. If we ever lose this, the little guy - basically you and me - is ignored if not destroyed, leaving only tyrants to rule.

America has much to get right but if we wish to remain free to figure that out, globalism must be rejected and ⁴freedom of speech protected.

For a discussion of socialism vs capitalism, and how it relates to this article click here. 

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¹The left tries to "backdoor" those with a more conservative worldview by sounding like a moderate or even conservative at times. Obama was a master at this. 

²What is the driving force behind globalism? When you get past the more superficial elements of its agenda it is control of the economic system of the world for the benefit of those few who seek to control it. This is why you have people on both sides of the political aisle advancing it. In truth, globalism is exactly like communism in this regard. Some would argue they are one and the same.               

Trump is an existential threat to the globalists (and their destructive agenda). The primary promoters do not care about being right or what you think of them. They're fighting for their existence and only focused on succeeding. Fair play or truth are not guiding principles for them. Winning at all costs to retain power or gain greater control over everyone and everything is. 

Globalism is the essence and embodiment of what it means to be a control freak. Staying in power is more important than being good, right, or honorable. This is their guiding value, not morality in the traditional meaning. They are more concerned about being feared and obeyed than respected or admired. They are relentless in their pursuit and will eliminate you if necessary (figuratively or otherwise) to achieve their ends of power and control.

I should add many who embrace or are incorporated into the globalist camp are not necessarily aware of the destructiveness of this underlying agenda. Many are sincerely passionate about some of the values promoted by globalism (and the globalists are quick to latch on to these sentiments and incorporate them into advancing their agenda). However, those few who have a nefarious agenda (control of the economic system of the world for their personal benefit vs the benefits of those within that camp) have cleverly grabbed on to and harnessed these sincere passions and incorporated them to appeal to a good sentiment and give the emotional drive and appeal of an otherwise clearly evil and very destructive system. 

A perfect example is environmentalism. There is a strong sentiment today for stewarding our planet more responsibly. I am totally in agreement with that sentiment and value. Being a surfer for 45 years has likely played a role. Fossil fuels can be reduced if not eliminated altogether given all the developments in alternate energy sources over the years. The issue isn't whether this is viable, it's that there is an unwillingness to invest in developing alternatives to fossil fuels. Ironically, though it shouldn't surprise us, the globalists own and control the fossil fuel industry. 

However, what was formally called "global warming" plays right into the hands of the globalists and their desire for world control.  In truth, it's a bait-and-switch tactic. They need a global problem to rally people around a global solution - which globalists claim to offer - even if they have to fabricate one. Climate change may be real - it's obvious the climate has changed up or down over the years - but a steady upward trajectory in global warming is an unproven conjecture yet to be clearly established. Many scientists argue against it as well as for it. And "climate change" advocates predictions of some apocalyptic demise of the planet have fallen short consistently. 

How does Trump fit into all this? Trump's brilliance is not his ability to think deeply but to think strategically and broadly. He is more like a general on the battlefield with a genius in knowing strategically how to address a crisis once he has all the facts - facts that are often withheld by globalists - often within his very administration it appears. He is about results, not style or manner of operation. He is a bottom-line pragmatic businessman, not a politician.  This is why so many support him… they are tired of politicians who promise everything but do nothing - or the opposite i.e. more harm than good. This is why Trump has the support of the highest percentage of minorities (blacks and Hispanics in particular of any president in years, maybe ever). People want results, regardless of race or religion. This is also why globalists dread and hate him... he gets results. Results they despise because he is also a ³patriot (he loves the principles of freedom on which America was originally founded, which is an obstacle to globalists achieving their agenda). 

Globalists love freedom also, just not for you and me. They love the freedom to exploit others which is actually slavery for everyone else.

³ Not the "American, love it or leave it" no matter how stupid it becomes variety, but those who love the founding principles of freedom of speech, religion, assembly and so on.

⁴We are free to say whatever we wish and can have an opinion regarding an issue but we are not free to harm others. 

Words have consequences both good and bad. When someone lies about another person this can harm their reputation as well as incite others to take harmful actions against the person being lied about.

There is a fine line between a lie and an opinion. Opinions are not necessarily facts.  It is okay to state an opinion but to claim an opinion is a fact when it is not, crosses the line e.g. To say you think or believe someone is a nazi is an opinion. You have a right to believe this even it untrue. But to publically claim someone is a nazi when they are not is stating this as a fact when it may not be true at all. 

You can believe the moon is made of cheese and say it all day long. But saying it does not make it a fact. And if you or others take actions because of your words that cause others harm, you are accountable for causing the harm. 



Sunday, April 12, 2020

How "End times" teaching aids Globalism.

The following history behind Dispensationalism is part 4 of a 5 part paper at 

I am posting it as a separate article for those who may not be interested in the weakness of the biblical foundations behind the "last days" or "end times" teaching. After reading this part below, you may wish to read my entire discussion on dispensationalism. To do so you can click here or the link above. 



4. The history behind Dispensationalism

(Dispensationalism teaches the world will be destroyed by God but before it is, a rebel to God - the Antichrist - will rise up and set up a one-world government where you can do nothing economically without His permission or his mark i.e. 666 or the Mark of the beast).

The first 3 sections of the complete paper (linked here) dealt almost exclusively with various scripture passages on why the Bible does not teach this widely held view (commonly known as Dispensationalism). 

Now we will see if the history behind this teaching can shine any light on its problematic rise and influence. 

The promotion and expansion of Dispensationalism appears to have had considerably more to do with the political views of Zionism, than with the teaching of scripture. A little-known document called The Blackstone Petition or Blackstone Memorial called for the re-establishment of the State of Israel almost 120 years ago, in 1891. It was submitted by a lay minister/real estate developer named William Blackstone (not to be confused with the British attorney who wrote “Commentaries” on Common Law in the 1700s).



Blackstone was a “student” of John Nelson Darby’s teachings, who was considered the “Father of Dispensationalism."


Even though most of us have likely never heard of Blackstone and his petition, it was not an insignificant document at the time, considering some of those who signed it. For example, J.P. Morgan, John D., and William Rockefeller, who were signers, also happened to be key “players” in forming the *Federal Reserve System implemented in 1913 under which our country’s monetary system now operates. (For an excellent book on the issues regarding the Federal Reserve I highly recommend http://www.webofdebt.com)

If the involvement by these signers seems unimportant or irrelevant, you may also wish to read
http://web.archive.org/web/20090503204211/http://www.taxtruth4u.com/money.htm which addresses our current monetary system. This will help tie this part together. NOTE: The link immediately above is from the Internet Archive, known as "The Wayback Machine" because my original site no longer exists.

Is it merely a coincidence these particular gentlemen were signers of this petition? If you understand the destruction and deception of the Federal Reserve System as discussed in the links above, this simple fact alone makes their - aka the "banksters" - early support and promotion of the dispensational system highly suspect. And this is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. If the connection is not apparent at this time, I encourage you to do your own research. The links above will be a good starting point. If you really dig around, it gets even more "interesting." To understand why I say this, be sure to read the article on Blackstone on the above link and also linked here for convenience.

It should be pointed out of the 413 signers of this Petition only a total of 15 were either rabbis or of Jewish or Hebrew descent. That is less than 4% of the 413 signers. In addition, one of the Jewish signers happened to be a banker and President of a bank called “International Bank.” Yet this petition was supposed to be about bringing Jews back to their “homeland” not about finance or politics (the more you dig, the more you will discover how "big money" and corrupt government have been connected for well over 100 years in the USA via the Federal Reserve. To read this list of signers, you would think this petition had more to do with some corporate business venture instead of a spiritual/religious effort.

The rest of the signers were a mixture of Protestant clergymen, representatives of several major national newspapers (early promoters of fake news?), politicians, government workers such as postmasters, judges, clerks, and even some collectors of revenue, along with a variety of businessmen. The whole list can be found at
http://web.archive.org/web/20080515083850/http://www.amfi.org/blackmem.htm (Also no longer on a website but from the internet archives). Considering the apparent nature of this petition to reestablish Israel as a nation, this was a curious mix, wouldn’t you agree?

The rabbit hole goes even deeper when you consider that J.P. Morgan and its interests also purchased controlling interest of every major newspaper - 25 in all - at that time (1915) in order to control the information going to the public to protect “their interests” but not necessarily to report the truth.

The banksters (the private banking system called the Federal Reserve) realized when they pushed through the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 that to pull off the control of the newly implemented money system they would need to also control the information to the public via the news. This would allow them to divert the public away from and hide this subtle but very significant takeover of commerce of the entire country through a totally corrupted money system, which is exactly what they did over 100 years ago.  

To the shock of anyone learning this for the first time, the mainstream media has actually been controlled by the "banksters" since that time. This is not "conspiracy theory" but documented in the Congressional Record of 1917 on page 2947. If you wish to see a photocopy and discussion of this in the actual Congressional record, click here

As a further indication of the influence and control of the media, I offer you these additional quotes.  

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the street looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my' paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes. 

-John Swinton, former chief of staff, The New York Times, in a 1953 speech before the New York Press Club 

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries".

-David Rockefeller, in an address given to Catherine Graham, publisher of The Washington Post and other media luminaries in attendance in Baden Baden, Germany at the June 1991 annual meeting of the world elite Bilderberg Group. 

"We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose to deal with".

-Richard M. Cohen, former Senior Producer of CBS political news

 "Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have" 

-Richard Salant, former President of CBS News

"Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity"(i.e. disbelief)

-Marshall McLuhan, media 'guru'

Comments in (  )’s and or with emphasis mine.

Why take so much time to address the news media in a paper on the teaching of Dispensationalism? If you get nothing else from this article, please understand this: the current political and monetary system has subtle but clear connections to a system that is far more encompassing than simply a particular theological worldview. For this financial/political system to survive, we must remain ignorant and apathetic to the true nature of events related to the "banksters" activities and the corrupt monetary system they set up and use to control all financial transactions, and therefore the necessity and importance of controlling the information ("news") outlets. Truth, care, and action by you and me are the globalist "banksters" biggest fear. That’s why any exposure of this information is often aggressively attacked with considerable effort to discredit it. If you have read this far, you are apparently neither apathetic, and you can certainly say you are no longer as ignorant. 

But it is our fault as the church as much as anyone’s (maybe more so) on why this monetary/political system has thrived and exists to this day.  And it is also our problem to solve. Politicians have proven they are not interested in truly addressing this corrupt banking system. In fact, they helped to implement it - either directly or indirectly - benefit from it, and allowed it to continue unchecked by turning a blind eye at a minimum.  

Am I saying the "banksters" created this theological system called Dispensationalism? Not at all. I do think, however, that they saw in dispensational teaching a perfect ²opportunity and vehicle to heavily influence the church to aid in implementing a one-world system aka globalism, and gain the support of the church to advance their deception. The "banksters" no doubt realized if the church could be convinced that the Bible predicts the coming of a one-world system under some diabolical opponent to God Himself (i.e. the "Antichrist"), then to resist it is futile (remember the Borg in the Star Trek TV series?). The globalists figured no good Christian would go against what the Bible predicts is inevitable. A clever, highly deceptive, and effective strategy. As a result, a very large portion of the church universal has bought into Dispensationalism to this day. 

Though our understanding of the subject of this paper must be formed primarily from scripture (which I address here) the political/ historical/ financial roots of Dispensationalism play a far greater role in the promotion of this teaching in the church than many may realize. Since the focus of Bible students is mainly on understanding what Scripture teaches regarding the “end times” this lack of awareness of its historical roots is understandable. However, I believe knowing the history behind the promotion of this doctrine is of no small significance or consequence and should be considered more closely by all students of the Bible. Therefore, I have taken the time to address this side of this rather involved subject of Dispensationalism (which can be read here).

I believe it is the intention of globalist "banksters" who seek to rule us (whoever they may be) that we buy into the pessimistic mindset fostered by Dispensationalism (we address this pessimism in part 5 “Two World Views…”). The result is we unintentionally (on our part, not theirs) look to our "rulers" for solutions to our problems and not to God. -- I believe this also in part explains why Futurism (how the world ends) and particularly Dispensationalism is such a widespread and popular notion among many non-Christians as well. No other teaching -  purportedly based on scripture - is more widely accepted by non-Christians than this “end time” doctrine and apocalyptic view of the world's future. 

This in itself should raise a red flag about the validity of this teaching. Are not the things of the gospel normally foolishness to the world? Christ’s words “broad is the road that leads to destruction…” may be very appropriate here. I believe those who wish to rule over us count on the church, doing just what we are doing, which is next to nothing when it comes to infusing the culture with the gospel and advancing God's kingdom here and now (His reign over the hearts and minds of all who look to Christ as their king) and speaking out against the corruption at all levels, especially within ³Government. The pessimism and passivity created by the belief in an inevitable future destruction of earth taught by Dispensationalism aids the advancement of a one-world government and plays right into their hands -- after all, according to Dispensationalism, a one-world government headed by a political figure called “The Antichrist” is predicted in the Bible so why waste time to resist it. 

I think if the establishment and promotion of Dispensationalism were not expressly to create a passive church - which indirectly aids the advance of one-world government - it has certainly been cleverly utilized toward that end.

I also think attempts to label ³a Preterism as anti-Semitic - yes, believe it or not, it’s true...labeling someone as a racist of any kind is a common and effective hot-button issue. It is a convenient diversion from discovering the truth. And if you understand that Satan is ultimately behind anything that neuters or distorts the truth, the church’s effectiveness on culture and government, and the advancement of God's kingdom in the world, all of this is not beyond reason but in fact makes perfect sense. If you further study the history behind Dispensationalism, if it isn’t already apparent, it will become more apparent how all of this is connected as you dig in. 
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¹Some believe Zionism is the main player behind globalism. I have concluded it is merely a useful tool of the real players - i.e. the "banksters" (Rothschild - the founder of the central banking system in England - being an Ashkenazi Jew) 
Zionism is a diversion used by the banksters to promote globalism (one world government). Globalism is about power, money, and control, not a particular religious view or system. Making it about a religious view (with racial implications) also aids them in creating division within the church. For a discussion on how Zionism helps promote identity politics and racismclick here. One of the strategies of globalists is to accuse their opponents of the very things they are most guilty of. 

²Possibly they saw and sincerely believed this teaching was justification for one world government. 

Most centers of influence and power, such as the church (media, government, and other major centers of influence such as entertainment, social media, sports, and the like), start out well but are infiltrated and commandeered to advance the "bankster" aka globalist agenda in one fashion or another.  This is a clever but diabolical strategy because these institutions are centers of influence for a reason - i.e. they've gained the trust of so many and are far less likely to be suspected of anything nefarious. They are perfect "candidates" to gain control over the minds and lives of others and culture and society as a whole because of the trust they gained in their beginnings.

³For those who raise the question of obeying the authorities discussed in Rom 13, keep in mind Christ’s most scathing criticisms were against the Pharisees who were the religious authorities in Israel during Christ’s time on earth. If you care to read more on this click here.  

³a which teaches the "end times" the Bible speaks of was a historical event, not in the future.

For a look at what the bible really says about the promise to Abram (later named Abraham) regarding the nation of Israel, click here

This is only part 4 of a 5 part paper. If you wish to read the rest of the paper this current post is taken from click here.

For a further discussion on what promises God actually made to Israel click here

If you wish to discuss any of the points addressed in this article or have any questions, message me at  

thotsaboutGod@gmail.com Ask for Jim. God Speed


Friday, November 20, 2015

Liberal vs Conservative or vice-versa...you pick

The conservative/liberal debate is an interesting one and there are some real differences philosophically. 

The heart of the difference is the view of humanity's condition. 

Are we inherently ¹"good" or "bad?"  

If we are good and our problem is our environment/ circumstances then we need to fix these and our problems are solved

This view is more common among those with a liberal political leaning and is based on humanism.

If we are bad or corrupt from within, then our hearts must be fixed. Only then will the world get better. 


This is more common in conservative circles, though there are exceptions. However, also common with conservatives is the view that law alone is the primary solution to our problems vs a changed heart.


The real solution... a third way

Ultimately, receiving God's love first and sharing it to each other solves the world's woes. Expecting or looking to politicians or government to bring this about is not. 

The truth is liberals have the right idea but the wrong method, i.e. They recognize the need for love and compassion, often better than conservatives, but tend to count on government and politicians to bring it about through government-run social programs. 

However, corrupt men make up institutions, i.e. apart from God's grace, all institutions are corrupted by being run by men or women whose hearts are corrupt and alienated from their Creator. 

Corrupt institutions (including government) often pass and enforce corrupt laws that reinforce (even institutionalize) corrupt behavior. The solution to man's woes comes from outside us (i.e. God Himself) and addresses what is lacking within us. True and lasting change occurs from the inside out and not the other way around. 

Liberals usually don't recognize the extent of corruption in the hearts of individual men/women. They believe the greatest need for change is in our world/circumstances/institutions, not our hearts i.e. men and women are basically good. Therefore, politically, they are "program" driven and see the solution to the world's woes ultimately in man and the institutions he sets up. Create a program that will fix the broken circumstances/ environment. If it's not working, throw more money at it.  

But an issue with the conservative (as well as the liberal - they just do it in different ways) is the tendency to depend primarily on law (this can lead to a police state and dictatorship and loss of our freedom when taken to the extreme). Though law enforcement is valid and necessary, it does nothing to change the heart of man, nor is it intended to, it simply changes their behavior or removes it from society. This helps keep order, but doesn't get to the heart of the issue (no pun intended). It can only mete out consequences for destructive behavior. But this can lead to soul searching by the perpetrator, which could result in a change of heart. But this is not automatic and a separate topic. Only God can change hearts.  

Government and law enforcement have one primary role, to punish lawbreakers, not change hearts. (for a fuller discussion on this click here).

When men refuse to let their hearts be changed, law enforcement is necessary to prevent people from harming each other. The civil authorities are not in the heart-changing business but the morality enforcement business - i.e. law and order - for the safety of the public at large.   

The bottom line is all politicians tend to consider the solution lies with them/man/government. This goes for both sides of the political aisle.  

Government is not the solution. It has its role but not the bloated role it plays today (both sides practice big government though conservatives tend to preach against it while expanding it at the same time). 

What most don't realize is only 35 years before the American Revolution - which resulted in our Declaration of Independence as a country - we experienced the first Great Awakening as a nation. The people of this country at that time became considerably more aware and alive to our desperate condition spiritually and the need for the love of and for God and our fellow man. This was the soil out of which our "great American experiment" grew, resulting in the first and only government by and for the people.  

The point is our system only works best where men and women are self-governed most i.e. they have a strong sense of individual accountability to their Creator to love him with all their hearts, etc, and love their neighbor as themselves. This further indicates the solution does not lie in government but in people who fear Godstarting with those who claim to know Christ and love God 2 Chronicles 7:14.  

This was the key to America's greatness, not our form of government. Our form of government was merely workable because of the spiritual orientation and moral integrity of the citizens. A spiritual orientation, the founders recognized and knew, was vital. This allowed them to set up a form of government with maximum freedom and minimal external restraints. When Benjamin Franklin (who wasn't known for his spiritual devotion) was asked what form of government we decided on, he said..."A Republic, if we can keep it." It is the best form we know of, but only if and when we are self-governed i.e. individual citizens have a high moral sense of accountability to their Creator and fellow citizens. This is also why the solution to our woes is a return to loving God and our neighbor, which is only possible when the hearts of individual men and women are made alive again to God and are moved by His love to live for God and love their neighbor. Once God's kingdom is eventually established on earth, there will be no need for these external restraints since all members will be guided and ruled by the love of God.    

Our form of government was originally intended to protect and preserve our "right" or freedom to pursue our Creator and other rights with minimal government interference. Most politicians advocate (especially the big-budget variety) for laws that are restrictive by taking away our freedom via increasing taxation, regulation, and enforcement.  Government produces nothing and can't grow money (though they try by printing it out of thin air). "We the people" and our individual talents and abilities (which are gifts from our Creator) are what drives the economy, not the government. 

In fact, our corrupt and abusive monetary system is a far bigger problem than most realize, yet no one ever talks about it (at least not in the mainstream news and not to the level of importance it deserves).  

The site below has a short two-minute video about this. This is the reality that NO one is talking about to any significant degree on EITHER side. (Ron Paul spoke of it often. His son, Rand, and even Trump have eluded to it).




The difference between conservatives and liberals is about HOW we divvy up the money, not that there is no real moneyThough we have a currency, it's backed by nothing (it used to be backed by gold until Nixon cut its ties in 1971 when he ended the Bretton Woods Agreement). In fact, our "money" is now a debt instrument, the very opposite of an asset. In this way, both conservatives and liberals are exactly the same. They both operate under the pretense that we have an honest money system.  

Does the Bible have anything to say about honest money? PlentyHere's only a sampling

There seems to be an indication that the Trump administration has some level of awareness of this. 

When our monetary system implodes (I believe it's a matter of when not if, unless we change it before then) there will be no money to do any of the things any politicians propose. We will be back to either bartering or a police state, depending on which way government goes and how the masses respond (or don't). Then no one will care about minimum wage or fighting terrorism or whatever you believe are the key issues. 

If we believe man is our solution, we are in for disappointment. Men can be a means of addressing the problem but our solution is and always has been God. We are learning more and more the hard way, exactly that. 

Should we put someone in office we think will do the best job? Absolutely, but we need to spend far more energy praying than focusing on who is in office or wringing our hands about whatever issue has us frazzled (issues such as abortion, are only symptoms and not the cause of our issues), if we wish to see the real solution and real change. Thankfully, at least Trump openly called us to acknowledge God, though some might question his sincerity.


To take a closer look at what made us great as a nation click here

For a discussion on what is the kingdom of God, click here

For a discussion on the dangers of globalism click here.

For a close look at the difference between true believers and cultural Christians, click here

For a closer look at what is the best "economic system" by which a country should operate, click here

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¹The bible says we were originally made good with the capacity for great good but as long as we reject and remain disconnected from the source of life, love, and all things, we can do no real and lasting (eternal) good. And since we were made for eternity, that is where our primary focus must be if we are to be a healthy and stable society.

²When watching the video on this site, note the dollar amounts referenced on the bottom left side of the video. Obama raised the debt ceiling to 20 Trillion when in office (and this was not just an Obama thing. This has been going on for years by both parties, though Obama increased the debt the most and quickest of any President).

Sunday, February 28, 2010

Obeying the "Authorities." What does the Bible REALLY say!

One area of genuine confusion for me for years was what did the bible mean when it told us to obey the authorities, particularly in Romans chapter 13. Does it really teach obedience to government is without conditions as many within the church suggest?

I found much of the "organized" church hasn't given a great deal of critical thought to this very important question (which is becoming increasingly important because of the breakdown of morality in American culture and government). Therefore, I wrote this a few years back and expanded it right after teaching through the book of Romans in 2009. If you like what I have written, you may also find "The Establishment and Limits of Civil Government" by James M. Wilson helpful. Enjoy!
  
The Bible and Obeying Authorities
   
Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. (ESV)

13 Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, 14 or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. I Pet 2:13-14

   
The Bible teaches in both passages we are to obey the authorities. Few Christians would dispute this. However, it is often assumed by many that a government’s validity and the requirement to obey it comes solely because of its existence and we are therefore required to obey it unconditionally. Those who take this view cite Romans 13:1b, “…For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.” Some assert this passage teaches that government has unconditional authority without restrictions, and Christians must obey government no matter what it does or demands of its citizens. Part of the reason for this is many consider obeying the authorities only from the vantage point of the Christian's responsibility to government. As a result, rarely do they stop to ask whether Government has a responsibility to God or the citizen, Christian or otherwise, and what that might be.

Do these passages really teach that obeying the authorities is absolute and stands alone in a vacuum? That anything told to us or asked of us by government is a mandate from God Himself with whom we must comply simply because government mandates it. Are there any other passages that indicate otherwise? Are there any conditions within the context of Romans 13 that put restrictions on Romans 13:1b and I Peter 
2:13

The fact is those who are quick to advocate for absolute and unconditional obedience to government, citing only Romans 13:1-2 as the only standard, must ignore not only other clear teaching elsewhere in scripture but the immediate context.

Within the rest of chapter 13 certain qualifications or restrictions are shown that are not always obvious and seldom considered by “unconditional obedience” advocates much less discussed. As an example, in Rom 13:7 we are told, “Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.” It may appear he is saying we should do these thing simply because we told to. Many may not consider this implies something may not be owed. If it were, why use the word “owed?” Why not simply say, “pay all taxes. Show anyone in authority, respect etc.” instead of according to whom or what is owed. It should be clear that we are not to pay taxes that are not owed or to give respect or honor to those who don’t deserve it. As the saying goes, authority may be given, but respect (and trust) is earned. Though this specific saying isn't in scripture, I think it is supported by scriptural principles and hope to show that in this paper. 

On the tax question, a simple example would be if we should honor a tax bill sent to us from the government of China. The answer? Of course not! This might seem like a silly illustration but I use an extreme example to show there must be a binding legal arrangement between the “taxer” and the “taxee” before an obligation exists. We should not simply assume we have an obligation because someone claims there is one or asserts they have the authority to make a claim or demand. Wouldn't this apply to someone even within our own government? In the US we are suppose to be a government by law, not men i.e. we aren't a dictatorship nor do we have a king. Obviously, the only taxes that apply to us here in America are those our law requires of us, hence the instruction to pay taxes to whom they are due and not just to anyone for any reason.

The overall point is the commands in this passage are not absolute or without conditions and we must stop and consider what we are being told and what those conditions are and not assume a meaning apart from the text or outside the immediate context of the passage or the rest of scripture.

Authorities (power) defined

For example, one condition mentioned - though the meaning may not be obvious at first - is in Rom 13:1 “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers." (KJV) The word “power” (or “authorities” in some translations) is exousia in the original which carries the idea of “privileged” or “delegated” authority. A “higher power” in this passage is not referring to independent powers -- as would be the case with dunamus (the other Greek word for power and where we get the word dynamite from). Dunamus means power is inherent within the power holder. Exousia is a power that comes outside of the power holder and is assigned or delegated, making the holder of it accountable to the assigner. It is a power given that must be exercised within the sphere of its delegation.

Also, because all legitimate power comes from God, “for there is no (delegated) power but of God…” whatever power that exists legitimately is only because it is granted by God i.e. is “of God.” Indeed the next phrase “and those (delegated authorities) that exist have been instituted by God…” clarifies this.

"Higher" or "excellent" defined

We see another condition when Paul explains why obedience must only be to higher delegated powers. Higher is “excellent” in the original, which is another qualification set upon government. So the powers of government are not only delegated but must be excellent.

What is meant by excellent or ¹higher powers in verse one (translated as "governing" in some translations)? Since the powers here are delegated, we must ask who or where do these authorities look to for instruction on how to conduct themselves excellently? Are they merely to look to themselves and their own notions of right and wrong?

It stands to reason these subordinate or delegated powers/authorities (exousia) must be subject to the source of their delegation, i.e. God Himself, since it is God who has ordained or instituted them. Simply stated, they must exercise authority only in the manner prescribed by the one who gives them their delegation. This is what it means to rule excellently for they rule according to the excellent standard of God’s law, not by their ²own standards.  

We get a clue of the purpose of their authority in Rom 13:3 which says, “For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad…”

In Rom 13:4 we are told, "...Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 

So what happens when you do good (as defined by God) and receive the government's disapproval or do evil and receive their approval?

This verse along with its context clearly shows civil authorities are operating as God's appointees when punishing wrongdoers as God defines it. And if so, what does this say if the authorities are punishing those who do good as also defined by God? Have these authorities not abandoned their assignment? What is our obligation to them when they do so? The context would suggest there would be no obligation to such authorities. We hope to prove this more clearly from additional points in Rom 13 and other passages as we go on. 

A legitimate government is a government that punishes evil and rewards good. If it rewards evil and punishes good, then it is no longer carrying out the role God has assigned them.

This same condition is mentioned in the Peter passage as well:

1Pe 2:13  Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme,  1Pe 2:14  or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.

Who ultimately decides what is good or bad conduct, if not God Himself? This is not determined by fallen men placed in authority, regardless of how high their station is. Since God is the ultimate Judge and the basis for morality he is the only one who determines what is “good” or “bad (evil) conduct” and these authorities are instituted by Him, it stands to reason they are required to administer justice as God defines it, not as they define it. (This may not address every specific law implemented, but all laws must be in harmony with God’s overall moral law and not contrary to it). It would go contrary to everything taught in scripture for the authorities to be authorized to punish folks for good conduct and reward them for bad conduct. How could a “minister of God” carry out actions contrary to God’s commands and remain God’s loyal minister? Would a righteous, legitimate, God-fearing authority approve of wickedness or condemn righteousness? Would God appoint such a person as His authority? Would God have wrath toward someone practicing righteousness instead of wickedness or approve of judgment or punishment toward someone practicing righteousness instead of wickedness? The answers should be obvious.

Also, it is important to note Paul defines righteous behavior from verse 8 through the rest of chapter 13. In fact, in verses 13:9-10 he refers specifically to some of the 10 commandments of the OT and the 2nd greatest commandment to love others as yourself. Given this is the immediate context on addressing the role of government it leaves no doubt what God means by “good” or “bad” behavior for anyone - particularly any government official who might read this passage looking to justify their authority.

Paul repeats what Christ had already asserted when he states in both Rom 13:8 and 10 that loving one another is fulfilling the law. Is there any doubt this should also be the standard by which governments are to operate? Would not the overarching and guiding principle of good government be to insure doing onto others as you would have them do unto you i.e. punish evildoers and reward those who do good?

Not only are instructions given on how to treat our fellow man in 13 but at the end of chapter 12.

Rom 12:9  Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good.
Rom 12:10  Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.
Rom 12:11  Do not be slothful in zeal, be fervent in spirit, serve the Lord.
Rom 12:12  Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.
Rom 12:13  Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.
Rom 12:14  Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.
Rom 12:15  Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep.
Rom 12:16  Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight.
Rom 12:17  Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.
Rom 12:18  If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
Rom 12:19  Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
Rom 12:20  To the contrary, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."
Rom 12:21  Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Unfortunately, since many chapter divisions made by men separate what God intends to be connected, we can miss the connection. The end of chapter 12 is clearly connected with chapter 13. This may be more obvious now that we consider it, but this is rarely - if ever - acknowledged among those who advocate unconditional obedience to "every" authorities. However, it is very significant that the first part of Romans 13 addressing obeying the authorities is sandwiched between explicit instructions at the end of chapter 12 and the rest of chapter 13 on what makes up “good conduct.” Romans 13:1-2 is surrounded before and behind on how to treat our fellow man as laid out in God's highest law i.e. exactly what good conduct is. In doing so Paul, under the inspiration of God’s Spirit, was deliberately making sure there was no doubt as to the standard by which governing authorities must rule. 

It is clear from the immediate context that good or bad conduct is determined by God alone, not government. God doesn't give government Carte Blanche to do whatever they wish and act contrary to His word, and expect us to obey them without question. He is the ultimate authority and they are His ministers accountable to Him to rule as He calls/delegates them to. Ruling according to His commands is the grounds for their authority. How could it be any other way, and how could the authorities be true “ministers of God” otherwise?

Continuing along this same point, verse 3 begins with "For..." This is the word gar in the original and means, “assigning a reason” and can be translated “because” or “therefore.” i.e. the grounds or reason for the validity of the authorities mentioned in the proceeding verses is because or “for” they are a terror to bad conduct, not good. This suggests if they are not such an authority, commands to obey them do not apply. Remember, “…respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. Our obligation is clearly to obey only the authorities that are a terror to bad conduct and a rewarder of good as defined by God, the only one who determines right and wrong, and is the standard of all law and the ground for all morality.

A different point worth mentioning is who does “every” apply to when it says in verse 1, “let every soul be subject…”. Every means every, right? The point is, wouldn't that include those in authority along with the rest of the citizens? Since the moral standard is not set by government but by God, those in government are subject to that same standard just like the rest of us. This is what the founders meant in governing by "rule of law" not men. The founders understood and agree that right and wrong is determined by God not us. Even (and maybe particularly) for those men and women who carry out the administering of that law. 

If “every soul” didn't apply to the authorities themselves then what or who would be the authority they are answerable to; themselves? What law would the authorities themselves be subject to if they are the law? Would they not need to be subject to someone outside themselves? Given man's propensity to wander away from God, and towards being self-serving, the answer should be obvious.

It makes no sense they would answer only to themselves, particularly since they are delegated authorities and ministers of God. Then would they answer to their fellow authorities? For one, all men are fallible. It would also make it too easy for one authority to “look the other way” for the sake of a “brother lawmaker" i.e. another elected government official. In fact, isn't this what already goes on today, and why we see so much corruption in prominent places. In either case, no man, whether or not in a ruling position, is above the law; not man’s law and certainly not God’s.

Considering the above points we could legitimately arrange verses 1- 4 as follows:

Rom 13:3a because (gar) rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad (and)... 4a because (gar) he is God's servant for your good... Let every person be subject to the(se) governing authorities. For (gar) there is no (delegated) authority except from God, and those (such authorities) that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists (such) authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist (these authorities) will incur judgment. ... 3b Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval4b ...But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For (gar) he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

Here it is again as found in the regular translation.

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 

Note the first arrangement, the phrases within the individual verses are exactly the same; only how the order is different - with some clarifying definitions in parentheses ( ). God inspired Paul to write it in its original Greek form, but Greek does not always translate easily into English. Also, translators are not beyond being influenced by bias or outside pressure or persuasion (the King James was authorized by a political ruler). 

A straight word-for-word rendering of Greek to English does not always convey the intent of the original. This is why the Greek - and its grammatical structure - can be helpful. The order can flow differently in Greek, which is why you will see a different rendering of a passage between different translations (the various translations of Rom 8:28 would be a good example of this). I merely offer the above order to help bring some clarity to what is meant in the original Greek and remain true to the original meaning within its context. I recommend you study this passage and make sure my arrangement does so. 

We do not need to know Greek, however, to clearly see that the solution to not having a fear of government, but rather being approved by it, is simply by doing good as defined by God, not men. This alone should be clear and a sufficient indication that the government is to rule according to God’s law. If so, what does this say about our obligation to government that rules contrary to God’s law?

Christ addressing "ruling authorities" 

In considering Christ, how did Jesus handle the Jewish authorities of His day? Did he always agree with them and blindly submit to them? Did he ever speak out against misuse or abuse of authority? Did he simply ignore the misapplication of Jewish law when he saw it taking place? No! He challenged these leaders frequently. In fact, His most scathing words were for the religious leaders of the Jews, the Scribes and Pharisees. For example, see Matthew chapters 6:1-5,16 chapters 15, and 23, and Joh 8:43,44. Though they were not the ultimate civil authority in their given circumstance (Rome was), these leaders within Israel carried out limited civil oversight and spiritual authority. They had enough influence to persuade Pilot to have Christ crucified. 

Christ called these leaders snakes, fools, self-righteous murderers and hypocrites; the blind leading the blind. And these are only some descriptions He gave them. Scathing words considering these were authorities/leaders of his day within 
Israel. (Might Christ’s scathing rebukes suggest that because of their unique role and influence, leaders should actually be held to an even higher standard?) 

So were Christ’s rebukes of Israel's leaders in conflict with Romans 13? Obviously, they could never be as Christ was righteous in all he said and did. If they were not, why not?

The simple explanation of this seeming contradiction is we are to obey the authorities unless:

1.      They ask us to directly violate God's simple law taught elsewhere or 
2.     They are acting in obvious violation of God’s law and truth themselves.  

The point is Romans 13 must be interpreted in the context of ALL of scripture. How Christ handled the authorities is something most who take the position of unconditional obedience rarely if ever even bring up, much less discuss. It doesn't even occur to them that Christ does not blindly obey these authorities but in fact, rebuked and chastised them on many occasions when they were in violation of God’s word. 

This in eventually resulted in His death - humanly speaking. In truth willingly laid down His. No one took it from Him.

The bottom line is God's word not only within but also outside of the context of Romans 13 gives examples that qualify and even supersede the view of unconditional obedience taught by some within the church today. That is because God is the ultimate authority of all men and to whom all must ultimately give an account, especially those in authority. Because of their unique role and calling as God’s special servants/ ministers of justice, they have even greater accountability to God. Rom 13:4 “…he is God's servant” and Rom 13:4 “…the (delegated) authorities are ministers of God…” We must ask ourselves when those in authority are disobeying God or asking us to do the same, are they still serving God or have they abdicated their delegation and God’s calling? When we stop to consider it, it would make no sense for God to have qualifications or guidelines for spiritual ministers, yet have none for civil ministers of justice?

In summary of Romans 13, it should be apparent that obeying the authorities does not stand alone in a vacuum. The simple but oft-overlooked fact is their authority is delegated and not absolute. The basis for their authority does not reside within them, it comes only from God and therefore they are particularly responsible to act according to God’s law as His representatives (administers of justice), just as those God has delegated to have oversight as his spiritual representatives, such as pastors and teachers. 

If a spiritual minister can be disqualified from his sphere of ministry should not a civil minister be also? If they do not act according to God's law they are acting outside the sphere of their God-given authority; hence the admonition of Paul to give honor to whom honor is due. By their violation of God's requirement, they disqualify themselves by not doing what is needed to elicit due honor just as a spiritual minister would. 

Now we will look at other passages to see if the above understanding is just isolated within Romans and Christ's handling of leaders, or is it also supported elsewhere.

Do we find any concrete examples that we are to obey the authorities if we are commanded by them to violate God’s higher authority? Yes we do. Are we to obey them? No, we are not. As Peter said, I must obey God rather than menAct 4:18-21Act 5:27-29. These passages are a clear indication if someone in a position of authority asks us to disobey God they are acting like mere men and no longer as God’s representatives and delegates. Our obedience to such is no longer required. Their role of authority is not absolute but conditional. No man is above God's rule/law, especially those who are called to administer it. Ministers of God should be calling out those in government for abandoning God’s standard of righteousness i.e. they should be exposing corruption within government,  not cowering from it.  The fact that most churches are incorporated as a 501(c)3 corporation, has put them unwittingly under the government's thumb that prohibits churches from speaking into government matters.

So where does this notion of unconditional obedience come from if it’s not supported in scripture, and why is it so prevalent among many in the church? I suggest it is lingering teaching rooted in a fallacious notion that comes from the Roman Church and was picked up by the Anglican Church and not from scripture. The Anglican Church taught “the divine right of Kings” which in essence held that when the King spoke He was speaking “ex-cathedra” or the very words of God Himself, not unlike the view the Roman Church held of the Pope. Before England merged church and state into one authority figure, this was believed only to be true of the Pope. The Anglican Church took it a step further and vested this notion of “ex-cathedra” in the King as well, since he was both head of the church and state. I would suggest that absolute and unconditional rule and authority by the King (or anyone in authority) is not rooted in scripture but from this notion of the Roman Church which saw men as mediators between God and men. (It's worth noting that the King James translation was written under such conditions. If you read it against some newer translations, you can see some subtle differences). 

However, absolute and unconditional authority can only lie within God Himself, not fallible man. All men must be measured by the same infallible standard of God’s word. They are not themselves that standard. This whole notion of mankind needing an earthly mediator/representative between himself and God, either spiritually or civilly, is another idea that is a direct contradiction to scripture. Yes men are used in both cases, but they are not God, only the messengers/ administrators sent by God to do God's bidding, not their own. 

Delegated authorities in civil matters are not,  nor ever were intended to be mediators but rather administrators; God’s servants to administer justice and punish those who violate His law, not spokesmen on behalf of God.  

Context is always key

Using Romans 13 to support unconditional obedience, like all other misapplications of scripture, is a classic example of taking a passage out of its immediate and extended context and making it an absolute and isolated standard. To do so you must violate the rest of scripture.

On a separate but related question, when you have an apparent contradiction within the bible, what do you do? How do you determine which is the correct interpretation? Doesn't it make sense to simply determine what is clearly taught within the context of all of scripture and interpret the passages that are unclear or appear to contradict accordingly?

For example, if the government ordered you to commit murder, should you? No one would dispute the Bible clearly teaches we are not to murder. The Hebrew midwives certainly understood this when the Pharaoh (king) of Egypt instructed them to kill the firstborn males of the Hebrew women. Not only did they disobey this command given by the civil authority, God blessed and honored their “disobedience.”  

Exo 1:15 Then the king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, one of whom was named Shiphrah and the other Puah, Exo 1:16  "When you serve as midwife to the Hebrew women and see them on the birthstool, if it is a son, you shall kill him, but if it is a daughter, she shall live." Exo 1:17  But the midwives feared God and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but let the male children live. Exo 1:18  So the king of Egypt called the midwives and said to them, "Why have you done this, and let the male children live?"

The bible even goes on to tell us in Heb 11:23 that, “By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden for three months by his parents..." Why did his parents hide him? To avoid the godless decree given by Pharaoh to have all the first born male children killed. The hiding of Moses was in direct disobedience to the instructions of Pharaoh, the leading civil authority of Egypt, whose authority Israel was under, yet God called hiding Moses an act of faith and not an act of disobedience to Him, though it certainly was to Pharaoh.

We have another example in the case of Daniel.

Dan 6:7  All the presidents of the kingdom, the prefects and the satraps, the counselors and the governors are agreed that the king should establish an ordinance and enforce an injunction, that whoever makes petition to any god or man for thirty days, except to you, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions. 8  Now, O king, establish the injunction and sign the document, so that it cannot be changed, according to the law of the Medes and the Persians, which cannot be revoked." 9  Therefore King Darius signed the document and injunction. 10  When Daniel knew that the document had been signed, he went to his house where he had windows in his upper chamber open toward Jerusalem. He got down on his knees three times a day and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as he had done previously. 11  Then these men came by agreement and found Daniel making petition and plea before his God. 12  Then they came near and said before the king, concerning the injunction, "O king! Did you not sign an injunction, that anyone who makes petition to any god or man within thirty days except to you, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions?" The king answered and said, "The thing stands fast, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which cannot be revoked." 13  Then they answered and said before the king, "Daniel, who is one of the exiles from Judah, pays no attention to you, O king, or the injunction you have signed, but makes his petition three times a day."

Not only did Daniel not comply with the Kings ordinance, he took a very open, almost “in your face” posture in his disobedience. Of course, we know the rest of the story. Daniel was thrown in the lion’s den for his disobedience. Yet God delivered him indicating his “disobedience” honored God.

Dan 6:22  My God sent his angel and shut the lions' mouths, and they have not harmed me, because I was found blameless before him; and also before you, O king, I have done no harm."

It is interesting that Daniel did not say he was blameless before Darius as he did regarding God but, that he had not harmed Darius suggesting he clearly understand he acted in disobedience to Darius. 

We see a similar act of resistance to the governing authorities in Daniel when Daniel’s three friends refuse to bow down to the image King Nebuchadnezzar set up.

Dan 3:15  Now if you are ready when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, to fall down and worship the image that I have made, well and good. But if you do not worship, you shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace. And who is the god who will deliver you out of my hands?" 16  Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego answered and said to the king, "O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need (we are not required by God) to answer you in this matter17  If this be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of your hand, O king. 18  But if not, be it known to you, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the golden image that you have set up."

Again we know the outcome. God not only delivered them from this ordeal but was actually present with them in the fire.

Another example is in Esther. Mordecai, the father of Esther, refused to bow and pay homage to Haman, the King’s right-hand man. Haman, finding out that Mordecai was a Jew and filled with fury, went to the king to request all Jews to be destroyed.

Est 3:8  Then Haman said to King Ahasuerus, "There is a certain people scattered abroad and dispersed among the peoples in all the provinces of your kingdom. Their laws are different from those of every other people, and they do not keep the king's laws, so that it is not to the king's profit to tolerate them. 9  If it please the king, let it be decreed that they be destroyed, and I will pay 10,000 talents of silver into the hands of those who have charge of the king's business, that they may put it into the king's treasuries." 10  So the king took his signet ring from his hand and gave it to Haman the Agagite, the son of Hammedatha, the enemy of the Jews. 11  And the king said to Haman, "The money is given to you, the people also, to do with them as it seems good to you."

Mordecai, being the father of Esther and also the wife of King Ahasuerus, approached Esther and commanded her to illegally approach the king to address this.

Est 4:8  Mordecai also gave him a copy of the written decree issued in Susa for their destruction, that he might show it to Esther and explain it to her and command her to go to the king to beg his favor and plead with him on behalf of her people.

Est 4:10  Then Esther spoke to Hathach and commanded him to go to Mordecai and say, 4:11  "All the king's servants and the people of the king's provinces know that if any man or woman goes to the king inside the inner court without being called, there is but one law--to be put to deathexcept the one to whom the king holds out the golden scepter so that he may live. But as for me, I have not been called to come in to the king these thirty days."12  And they told Mordecai what Esther had said. 13  Then Mordecai told them to reply to Esther, "Do not think to yourself that in the king's palace you will escape any more than all the other Jews. 14  For if you keep silent at this time, relief and deliverance will rise for the Jews from another place, but you and your father's house will perish. And who knows whether you have not come to the kingdom for such a time as this?" 15  Then Esther told them to reply to Mordecai, 16  "Go, gather all the Jews to be found in Susa, and hold a fast on my behalf, and do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my young women will also fast as you do. Then I will go to the king, though it is against the law, and if I perish, I perish."

Esther was willing to suffer the consequences of her “illegal” action. But again, God delivered her and her fellow Jews and had Haman executed. To help understand this we must distinguish between what is lawful and what is “legal.” Laws passed by men may be “legal” but that does not automatically make them lawful i.e. according to God’s true moral law.

What is particularly interesting about all of these passages is they all take place in a political or civil setting. 

Now let’s look at a more current historical example. It is apparent God has blessed the founding of America. So how do we handle the American Revolution? In declaring their independence the founders disobeyed the King of England, who was the civil authority over the colonies at that time. Benjamin Franklin clearly understood the implications of their “rebellion” when he said "We must all hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." So was the manner of America's founding. Was this a violation of Romans 13? You might consider reading the "Declaration of Independence" again as a lesson in understanding how to address tyranny of unrighteous ruling.

Addressing tyrannical government was not just a problem for the founders of this great country but is also increasingly becoming a problem for us and his church in today’s political/legal climate. More then ever we must search and study the scriptures and think long and hard about these things as we find ourselves more and more unable to avoid these very same challenges faced by the Egyptian midwives, Moses's parents, Daniel, his friends, Esther and Peter.

As a practical example now facing the church, due to the “hate crimes” bill passed by Congress in 2008, a pastor can be “legally” locked up for preaching against homosexuality. Most missed this entirely (in part I would suggest, due to a misunderstanding of what it means to "obey the authorities"). Nothing is being done on a large scale yet, but the law is on the books and unless God revisits our nation, the enforcement of this law and the persecution of pastors is now a real possibility over time.

For those who wish to explore the separate but related issue of "render unto Caesar what is Caesars" click here

When those in government overstep the law, whether the law of the very government they are appointed to uphold or more importantly the law of God, are we to comply? Peter did not think so when asked to disobey God's law in favor of civil law. He was instructed not to preach in the name of Jesus and his reply was "I must obey God rather than man".

In closing, it should be pointed out that if we are civilly disobedient out of obedience to God, we are not necessarily protected from persecution. Peter was flogged for his civil disobedience, Act 5:40. But we should also remember at another time (Act 12:1-19) when Peter was imprisoned for his stand an angel sent from God delivered Peter from prison i.e. God honored Peters stand to honor Christ and His message of good news. And we have already mentioned Daniel, Esther, and others. On the other hand, God may very well protect us and even bless us for obeying him rather than men, as he did the Hebrew midwives in Egypt.

Exo 1:17 But the midwives feared God and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them… 20 So God dealt well with the midwives… 21 And because the midwives feared God, (as opposed to fearing Pharaoh) he gave them families.

Because of a widespread misunderstanding of the government’s responsibility to God first and then its proper role to us, many Christians have become passive in their attitude and conduct towards the government. We have bought into the lie of “separation of church and state” thinking this means the church is not to speak into the affairs of the state when in fact as the church who is the bearer to God’s standard and word we must point out the basis for righteous government. Separation of church and state meant the state was forbidden to speak into the affairs of the church, not the other way around. The church is ruled only by Christ the King, not the state no matter what form it takes. To the extent the state is obedient to the laws of God, we must obey it. But what is often not considered is equally true; the extent to which government is in violation of God’s law we must resist it and not only hold it accountable to God’s law but speak out when it violates it. If the church had continued on this course (which it abandoned by submitting to a 501(c)3 non-profit corporate status for tax benefits - might this be similar to giving up our birthright for a bowl of lentil soup?) we may not be in the current condition we now find ourselves in as a nation. This does not mean we can dictate directly to the government how it should conduct itself but it does mean we should faithfully preach God's word to the people of God when government act's in violation of it. Unfortunately, this no longer happens in great part because of a misapplication of Roms 13 and abandoning Gods' rightful authority over the church and abdicating that authority to the state via incorporation under the 503(c) ruling. 

For a further discussion of the issues around 503(c)3 incorporation click here

In truth, isn’t it the responsibility of all Christians to speak out about unrighteousness wherever it exists, whether within or without government? Not in an obnoxious way, but with wisdom and grace. To do so is not in violation of God’s command to submit to righteous government i.e. to obey the authorities. In fact, isn't this just the opposite by upholding God’s commands and advancing God’s kingdom on earth?

Because of a misunderstanding of what is taught in Romans 13 we often submit to unjust laws or illegitimate government believing we are commanded to when in fact we should not only resist unrighteous government but seek to hold it accountable. Again as Jefferson rightfully pointed out, “resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.” In great part, the reason government goes unchecked today is that so called Christians leaders have misapplied “obeying the authorities” and misunderstood their proper relationship to it and their responsibility to not obey governments when they do not operate as God intends; according to His commands.

¹"higher" or "governing"- huperechō. Thayer Definition: 2b) to excel, to be superior, better than, to surpass.
Used a total of five times in the New Testament and translated "governing" in many translations and "authority" in 1 Peter 2:13 but also translated "surpassing" in Philippians 3:8 and "surpasses" in Philippians 4:7

²This is where you have to distinguish between legal and lawful. There are many laws on the book that are considered legal that are not lawful - i.e. such as abortion or a same-sex marriage. While a same-sex marriage might be "legal" via a marriage license it is not according to God's design i.e. not lawful. This is only one reason to give us pause to reconsider the value and necessity of a marriage license since God defines marriage not the state. A very significant lawful covenant is being minimized by using it to justify unlawful conduct i.e. same sex marriage.. Therefore things that are unlawful are justified because they are "legal." 

May God grant us the grace and strength to fear and obey Him instead of man as the world around us becomes more lawless.

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